Open Thread, Monday 8 July 2013 – Roswell Anniversary

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Lea Lake, Bottomless Lakes State Park near Roswell, New Mexico. In honor of the famous first reports on this date of a mysterious “flying saucer crash landing” 90 miles or so northwest of Roswell in 1947.

300px-Orville_Wright-1928What happened at Roswell in 1947?  I prefer the opinion of aviation pioneer Orville Wright, who was still alive at the time.  If you go to the UFO Museum in Roswell and scan the newspaper articles displayed on the walls, you may, if you look hard, find a quote of his at the bottom of one of the front pages there.  When asked about it, he said he was convinced that the whole affair was a lame attempt by the Army to generate a little hysteria to preserve funding after the end of the war.  It turns out that Mr. Wright had a lot of insight into the Army brass at the time.  They were, indeed, in something of a panic as to how to gracefully deal with a fiscal cliff of their own, especially since they were very concerned about the Russians – a threat that the public did not yet grasp.

Was this desperation at the root of the over-eager way in which the Roswell base command reported the incident to the press?  Was it a real incident at all or just a local stunt?  The tone of the original statement seemed awfully non-professional and devoid of all caution, almost like it was a joke.  There’s no question that they subsequently downplayed the incident, but was this a cover-up or just a way to cover their tracks after a publicity stunt got out of hand?  We’ll probably never know.  Even at the Museum in Roswell, there are lots of questions and tales and artist perceptions, but very few real answers.

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32 Responses to Open Thread, Monday 8 July 2013 – Roswell Anniversary

  1. What A Hoot says:

    Good morning! Did you learn this in grade-school history class?
    “The white citizens of Virginia decided to treat the first Africans in Virginia as indentured servants. Over half of all European immigrants to Colonial America during the 17th and 18th centuries arrived as indentured servant
    A black man named Anthony Johnson of Virginia first introduced permanent black slavery in the 1650s by becoming the first holder in America of permanent black slaves. This was the result of Mr. Johnson breaking an Indentured Servant contract with a fellow black, John Casor. In one of the earliest freedom suits, Casor argued that he was an indentured servant who had been forced to serve past his term. In ordering Casor returned to Anthony Johnson, a free black, for life, the court sustained the right of f ree blacks to own slaves.
    Some historians argue that John Punch, an African ordered indentured for life in 1640, should be considered the first slave in Virginia. However, Punch was sentenced to serve the remainder of his life in servitude as punishment for escaping while an endentured servant and was thus technically still an endentured servant. Punch had escaped along with two white endentured servants who were both sentenced to 30 strokes of the whip and an additional four years of servitude. This difference in penalties is considered one of the first cases to make a racial distinction between black and white indentured servants The white citizens of Virginia decided to treat the first Africans in Virginia as indentured servants. Over half of all European immigrants to Colonial America during the 17th and 18th centuries arrived as indentured servant
    A black man named Anthony Johnson of Virginia first introduced permanent black slavery in the 1650s by becoming the first holder in America of permanent black slaves. This was the result of Mr. Johnson breaking an Indentured Servant contract with a fellow black, John Casor. In one of the earliest freedom suits, Casor argued that he was an indentured servant who had been forced to serve past his term. In ordering Casor returned to Anthony Johnson, a free black, for life, the court sustained the right of f ree blacks to own slaves.
    Some historians argue that John Punch, an African ordered indentured for life in 1640, should be considered the first slave in Virginia. However, Punch was sentenced to serve the remainder of his life in servitude as punishment for escaping while an endentured servant and was thus technically still an endentured servant. Punch had escaped along with two white endentured servants who were both sentenced to 30 strokes of the whip and an additional four years of servitude. This difference in penalties is considered one of the first cases to make a racial distinction between black and white indentured servants. However some historians argue the difference in severity of punishment was due to John Punch having broken his indentured contract several times previously.”

    In my wanderings to read more up on this topic I came across a neat site, I think. I don’t know yet since I have not browsed the site or read any of the ‘hour books’ to know if propagandized versions of history http://www.historyinanhour.com/

    None of this pertains to anything really; just found interesting and thought to share as some here do have a fondness for history, I suspect.

    Have a great week.

    • barnslayer says:

      Oh it “pertains” to plenty. It shows whites do not hold a monopoly on slavery guilt. Add to that the works that reference black moslems in africa as being the first tier vendors, making the slave trade possible in the new world. Yeah, Whitey, he be all about slavery. Stick that in your crack pipe and smoke it oblamer.

      • What A Hoot says:

        “pertains” made me smile.

      • Yup. I remember John Rhys Davies talking about growing up in Africa and remembering the first time he realized that the chained men he saw on riverboats were slaves, probably Christians held by muslim slaveowners. That’s in our lives, folks. That’s right now. I know that blacks have suffered here in America, but so have lots of people. It really should be time to get past race in this country. Isn’t it time to put that all behind us? Probably not going to happen until our own President stops encouraging race-baiters. Maybe we need a conservative black President to be the first true post-racial leader, eh?

    • What A Hoot says:

      Here is a gem. This person has never commented on anything I post on fb. I may have had her excluded usually. Don’t know. But today she saw this history find and commented. “Does it really matter? Why carry on the conversation. Black or white, wrong is wrong” Unfortunately, I don’t know how to compress my thoughts into little catch phrases; so I probably lost her with my long answer. Now, after the fact I think up, “It is important to this crazy azz crackah”

      • Sounds like she’s telling you to move on, but clearly, there are lots of people in this country who are having trouble moving on. Often a little history lesson can be just the ticket to helping folks “move on.” I say, history has a lot to teach us, and that’s a good enough reason to have the conversation. I’m not sure why she feels the need to shush you.

        • What A Hoot says:

          My answer was way too long and sure wish I had posted here first and then borrowed your input. So much said in so few words.

  2. Train explosion in Quebec is looking really bad. Image collection from Chrissy.

  3. Obama and Kerry are making Egypt hate us more every day.

    “Dunne said popular resentment at the United States can be blamed in part on policies toward Egypt and other fragile Arab democracies that she labeled “unimaginative at best.””
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/03/us-usa-egypt-analysis-idUSBRE96203720130703
    Reuters Reporter: ‘Terrible optics’ in Obama golfing, Kerry yachting.
    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2013/07/07/Press-Turning-on-Obama-Reuters-Rohde-Terrible-Optics-of-Obama-Golfing-Kerry-Yachting-after-Egypt
    Serious killing started:
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/07/08/Egyptian-Intifada-Begins-Army-Kills-Over-40-Muslim-Brotherhood-Demonstrators

  4. zmalfoy says:

    Grunt– C’mon, we all know that Roswell was a cover operation to distract people from what was going on up in Area 51 . . . not to mention, in later years, the Denver Airport. . .

  5. barnslayer says:

    .50 BMG pistol. Just because

  6. texan59 says:

    Sorry I’ve been MIA for a few days. Lots of changes happening at el Gordito so I’ve been out of pocket. Getting ready to go out on my own and out of the corporate rat-race. I will finally be able to work from home and spend some quality time with Mrs. T. We’ll see how that goes. 😆

    • Many un-Americans are worse than any jolly jihadist imho! Any human being that can kill the most innocent of all has no place in a country that was suppose to be God fearing, God loving county. They have no right to complain about anything that is going on in this country right now! Strap on some juevos and few up to your own terror. The whole reason America is in the turmoil it is in right now is precisely because we failed to protect the most innocent of all of existence, our unborn children! Don`t think for an instant it is anything other than that single issue! You play God and cry out for Him at the same time? You don`t know my God! You don`t know the Spirit! Because you don`t know Jesus you don`t know the Father either! Take the log out in your own eye! Oh but I will bet these are the very ones working on destroying our country right now. But allowing them to do it is a mirror we have to look in and find out why WE let them do it? What are our faults and how can we never ever let this happen again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      EEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

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