Open Thread, Saturday 28 September 2013



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54 Responses to Open Thread, Saturday 28 September 2013

  1. zmalfoy says:

    Ohayo Minna! It’s the last weekend of the Gov’t Fiscal Year, so I’m here at work, waiting for forms and emails and all the things I need from other people to finish the last few contracts on my desk. I’m hoping for a gov’t shutdown, because frankly, I’m exhausted, and will need time to sleep once Monday is over. . .

  2. Pistol Pete says:

    There’s a lot of depressing stuff falling down around us,but that can wait.Here’s a little something to make you chuckle

  3. This is good news. Cruz gettin popular with the base. Maybe the RINOs really are on the way to the dumpster.
    Could you see a Cruz-Paul ticket in 2016? With Sarah Palin as campaign mom?

    • What A Hoot says:

      Nope. Can’t see it. I estimate about minimum thirty percent Republicans will not vote for Cruz because according the the Constitution they grew up with and were taught in school was very clear about the difference between natural born citizen, naturalized citizen, and native born citizen. It was always on the tests and they were flash carded to death on the the terms. They won’t surrender on this issue. So, they won’t, on principle vote for Cruz because he was not born to two citizen(any of the three types) parents (at time of his birth) and they won’t vote for him because he spews the “new” Constitution’s combining them all together and does not use his situation to say ‘no thank you’ to the presidency, which would point the finger at Obama not being a natural born citizen, either. You see, this principled part of the Republican Party will not bend on this as the Dems did; even it if means the other team wins. Add this faction to the Paul faction, although there is some overlap, and putting Cruz in is giving the win to the Dems and the furtherance of the demise of this country. It sucks he doesn’t fit the definition but in another fifteen years when all history of this has been finished being rewritten, and these ‘rememberers’ are gone, he could run and win. So many others that could pass the test of natural born citizens and so many other areas Cruz could lead and impact and help save America.

      • All good points. Probably right. I keep forgetting about the Canadian thing with Cruz.

          • He wrote that this month? I’ve really got to start reading him more often. That’s an outstanding summary that really changes my understanding about the issue. Thanks for this, Harvey. I think we should link to this on the sidebar permanently.

            • What A Hoot says:

              Was talking with one of the ‘old schooled’ recently. She was trying to describe to me how the transformation came about from a secured and understood meaning to a vague meaning; definition never established or defined. Quite frankly she had so much in her head to say, I had a hard time following. It is a lot of work, for sure. Since then I have been on the hunt for something to put all she was saying in better order for this pretty little head of mine to sort through. Well, someone has tried. It is two parts. Their is an interesting comment about vetting in the first link that I have not actually realized before and have not gone and read the Constitutional amendments quoted to see if really there and worded as presented but for now, does have me thinking some. The second link features a guy I was not aware of and since I am a history buff of sorts, I am on a search to read some of his stuff. I have visited this blog before and usually it is usually specifically about Obama not qualifying; not a regular but end up there from following links. This time it is more of the historical documentation of the changing of terms. Tin foil hat? Weelllllll, it mostly is just docs from Senate Committees; I found fascinating but at times boring. Individually, it was like, “Huh?”. But when stacked one on the other I started to understand what the aforementioned lady was trying to tell me. I must be a visual learner…


              And in case anyone has forgotten

              Again, a goodly percentage of people….Republicans, Dem Defectors, Libertarians, Independents ……… will not vote for Ted Cruz and even if it is tinfoil-to-the-max…..well, I will just stop lest I start repeating myself!!!!

              “The issue is not can Cruz be president but how many won’t vote for him because they believe he can’t be president.”

          • What A Hoot says:

            I so want to buy into Jacobson’s opinions, because of Cruz. However, it is obvious from so many points he makes and does not make that his conclusions are not from serious, in depth analysis and is more a thesis to prove he is not a birther and does not want to be perceived as one……… I suspect he has bought into the whole birthers are wacko birds meme. There are so many solid, proven, and historical proofs that nbc is what it was for the first 3/4’s quarters of the country’s life that make Mr. Jacobson’s paper look like a high school paper written the night before it was due. And so many times the Supreme Court stood by the established meaning but the professor left these out; not necessarily on purpose but perhaps from ignorance begat from laziness.. There are too many people still from the “old school” this time around who stand on their principles and won’t bend. It would behoove the Republicans to face this reality and even if they think Cruz IS qualified, he can not win because of this faction. To go ahead and put Cruz on the ticket knowing their is a pretty sizable percentage that simple can’t vote for him is suicide. And the way the Republican DC Gang vote, they want a Democrat/Marxist in the White House and want to continue the fundamental transformation of America. It is very convenient to put Cruz up as eligible. Very convenient.

            • barnslayer says:

              Yet the old guard GOP are relentlessly attacking Cruz. If Ted Cruz gets the nomination it will be despite the GOP, not with their assistance.
              Past elections have shown the RNC would rather front an old friend moderate than an upstart conservative. Furthermore, the conciliatory behavior they have expressed towards the current administration has distanced them with the conservative voter.
              You can bet the RNC will predictably give the baton to Jeb Bush or Chris Christie… or some similar unremarkable fence-sitting gentleman.
              The number of republican voters that would refuse to vote for Ted Cruz would be insignificant compared to the exponentially growing number of conservatives that will refuse to vote for another moderate.

              • What A Hoot says:

                Got a point there, Barn. Jeb or Christie on the Republican ticket would give a chance to a true conservative third party ticket IF that person is not a person who does not fit the old standard definition of natural born citizen. Cruz on Republican ticket and eligible (at least to some) on third party is a bust for everyone but the Progs. Rino flavor-of-the-month on Republican and Cruz on third party. Same outcome. But Rino Beauty Queen on Republican and some anti-Republican hated by the Rinos conservative third party. Maybe a win and the Progs can go home (that is the progs in both parties!) If typos, please forgive. Can only see one line at a time.

              • barnslayer says:

                I’m still hoping the support for Ted Cruz will be such a ground swell that he wins the republican nomination. He is a great enough departure from the business-as- usual GOP pick that it could diffuse any third party efforts. There may be some who refuse to vote for him but we stand to gain much enthusiasm with all other fed-up voters. Team him up with another young true conservative (no senior advisor/ boat anchor types for a running mate) and you’ve got the makings for a 16 year stretch of real improvement.

              • Enthusiasm is critical. And we’re not going to get it with the establishment GOP. They’ve proven that.

              • barnslayer says:

                Amen to that! You put together a couple of fire-pissers like Cruz and West (or Palin) and the democrats would not know what hit them. Rand Paul might be okay on paper but like R. Santorum… he doesn’t have the warrior personality.

              • That’s true, but Rand’s got the fire for freedom. Might make a damn good VP or sumthin.

              • barnslayer says:

                Whoever gets the VP spot should be legitimate president material for the future. Otherwise we gotta start all over again in 8 yrs. Rands words do better in print than in person. Maybe a good Sec’y of State? Remember Steve Forbes? Good ideas but… eh.

              • I disagree, but not profoundly. I think Rand Paul does just fine in person and at the podium. It might be tougher for east-coasters to like him because he’s a little slower talkin’ than some and has picked up a little KY drawl in addition to the Texas one. It’s true also that he’s no hawk. But people are tired of foreign wars, and they seem eager for a non-crazy, reason-talking version of Ron Paul. I like him and think he’s got a shot at the top spot, but I understand your criticism, and you might be right. But people around here seem passionate about him. My wife perks up whenever he’s on and says no evil about him, certainly.

              • What A Hoot says:

                How do you get the sizable percent (at least 30% alone in Republican party to cash in on their principles and exchange in for team-loyalty enthusiasm and pull the lever (wow that phrase dates me) for Cruz?

                Rand not a good speaker? He is already imaged as a great orator by most because of his”Stand with Rand” moment. Hour after hour and no teleprompter.

                Palin is a no go because, once again a high percentage won’t vote on principle. (What is is about so many conservatives living on principles, anyways?) She has what it takes to inspire and be heard but she failed one hell of an important test. In 2008 election she let herself be silenced. She let herself be handled. What would have happened if she spoke out the truth; said the things she wanted to say; things she knew? We lost anyways. Could we have won if she had not listened to the bully handelers? Could we have won if she had not ‘played the game”? Probably not. BUT she knew what a community organizer REALLY was and did NOT tell us! She knew he had no background and listened when her handlers told her it was hands off. She agreed to let her personality be the marketing tool and strategy and did not tell America what they needed to hear (even if America would not have believed her). She did not answer the 3am phone call, so to speak. Her power time came to her and she waffled. I don’t blame her but many, on principle, will not vote for her because they see her as proven not to be presidential material. They see her as someone who can easily, outside of her private citizen inspirational rhetoric, be ‘handled’. Rinos don’t like her and a whole bunch of tea party patriots do not like her for president because they see her what happened as a result of her weakness. Many just won’t cut her slack for not saying anything. It could have made some difference in the vetting reporting of Barack only because it would have caught the media guards off guard. There would not have been enough time to hide or reshape her accusations and just enough time to put doubt in voters minds. And she also endorsed McCain and some others that appeared to many as not loyalty or gratitude but payback of sorts. Put her on the ticket and it is disaster. Put on a third party ticket and her loyals will vote for her and take votes away from the Republican candidate. Granted the numbers for her for president are not, I suspect as high as the no-Cruz faction but could impact. Sarah supporters/followers at speaking engagements does not equal Sarah for President supporters.

                I personally think the country does not want to experiment with another ‘first’ and the Republicans should not put up a woman against Hillary. Just Shrillary as the only women anywhere on the ticket and she loses. America, including the non-prog Dems (yeah still some leftover), want a grownup, dependable stereo typical young grandpa to lead. I think America just wants to feel safe and protected and they don’t want him to be a Bush. America is more old fashion than we think. It is not that she thinks a woman can’t do the job; just want to take a breather from another Firstie. What is old is new..

              • barnslayer says:

                Look how strong Cain was doing early on. I don’t believe Romney won the nomination based on republican voter principles. The pre-season nastiness involving Cain and then Newt could very well have come from the RNC. After all look what just happened with the unnamed 8 GOPs that tried to push the reporter from FOX to launch an attack on Ted Cruz. The behavior of RINOs has left the GOP voters very disappointed with their own party. If enough show up to vote at the primary you’ve got your change… and it won’t be a third party.

                I don’t understand what you mean by “principles” regarding conservative voters. The word going around may have been “I won’t vote for a Mormon” but the reality was Romney was not a warrior. He was not a conservative at all. How do you think he became gov. of MA? Anti- 2nd Amendment and pro- gov’t healthcare. He was too weak and too much like his opponent on some major issues.
                What principles would prevent a conservative from voting for Sarah Palin?
                As for Ted Cruz, I think most of us are so fed up we really don’t give a crap about his birthplace etc.

                Regarding Rand Paul, He says the right words. He is lacks the dynamic personality of Ted Cruz, Allen West, or Sarah Palin. Not a major point in being president but may be a necessity for getting elected. Remember how Romney pulled his punches during the debates?

              • What A Hoot says:

                The number that will not vote for Cruz based on their old-school teaching of the Constitution and nbc is not minuscule. It would be a mistake for us to underestimat the number and write them off. The number that will not vote for Palin after she revealed this summer that the handlers of the 2008 campaign silenced her from talking about Obama’s background and his ties to Rev. Wright and Ayers, have gone way down. This is evidenced by the reduction in followers of blogs where she is a dominant theme as well as the amount of posts and quotes of hers being placed around the internet. She let herself be handled, and in turn ‘handled’ the republican voter. She was one person who had the stage at a unique time where ears may have still been open to hear, and did not share her knowledge. She let the handlers and the rinos use her for her personality only and not her brains and convictions. She let herself be reduced to merely McCain’s cheerleader. So why push for either Cruz or Palin? To lose? To alienate a big part of the new conservative base, on purpose, is rino behavior and the results will be the same. There is a big difference in the mindsets of libs and conservs. If the conservs scream the lib guy is not eligible, dems will vote just because they want to show the republicans they don’t care as long as they can be in charge and screw the conservative at the same time. Whereas, repubs, at least a big chunck don’t kneejerk respond like that. A high percent of republicans’ votes are ruled by personal conviction (even if means not voting at all) and if they see Cruz as ineligible no amount of libs screaming he is not eligible will not get them to say, “so what, gonna vote for him anyways.”; not if they themselves see him as not a natural born citizen. A huge amount of conservatives, the type that support Cruz’s stand, will never be fed up enough to vote for him if they think it is unconstitutional. Keep in mind, all the stuff Sarah has said and revealed about Obama since 2008, she knew in 2008 and said nothing. Rinos and a part of the new conservative movement have teamed up to silence and put an end to the birther stuff. Just as they were embarrassed by the Paul contingent and do everything to distance the party from them, they distance from the birthers. Problem is if Cruz is put in, the alliance will find out the hard way there are more than they admitted. It is so weird to see people who for five years questioned Obama being eligible because dual citizen now change their mind because it is one of their own. Unfortunately if Cruz nominee, that is a small number as most conservatives don’t operate with that blind following

                Are we sure the rinos are not setting as up to rally around Cruz, simply by their rejecting him?

                Only way for Cruz to win is to start now silencing and alynski-ing the constitutionalists who will continue to insist the guy is not nbc. Just have to borrow the game book from the Regime that was used against the Tea Party and Birthers, and such. Fix bayonets on those who don’t think Cruz is eligible!

              • Do you folks mind if I move this conversation to the Sept30 open thread and give it more space? I’ll copy and paste, and you can just continue to comment there, if you like.

  4. New Poll: Americans prefer Putin for President based on trust.

    NEW YORK (BHN) – A new poll shows Americans would much prefer Russia’s Vladimir Putin as their president over Barack Obama, based on trust.

    In a stunning indication of how far Obama’s popularity has fallen since his reelection, a majority of respondents also said they would choose a retarded Cocker Spaniel over our current president by a margin of almost two-to-one.

    White House spokesman Jay Carney discounted the results, pointing out that “even retarded Cocker Spaniels are smarter than some people.”

    The poll was based on answers from 7,438 registered voters.

  5. Pistol Pete says:

    I’d like to think this spineless cretin had the stones to do it,but he’ll back off.Barry has his palace guards in the press to hammer anybody who won’t give him his own way.

  6. Pistol Pete says:

    Iranian President Rouhani Returns From U.N. Trip, Greeted With Protestors Throwing Shoes And Eggs: “Our People Are Awake And Hate America”
    These people must think Hassan was negotiating with the phony-in-chief.What he was really doing was bending Bozo over and getting enough time to finish building his nukes.He even got the idiot to lift sanctions that have been in place since 1979 just so he could go in front of the cameras and brag about communicating with the Iranian president.
    Still and all a lot of us wish we could throw eggs at president jackass.

  7. Has McStain completely lost his mind, or is he really the traitor he’s been appearing more and more to be? McCain is hiring chronic liar and al Qaeda rep Elizabeth O’bagy.

  8. texan59 says:

    Anyone write their Senator. I did. This was yesterday. 👿

    My letter to the esteemed senior Senator of Texas.

    Dear Senator Cornyn:

    I am extremely disappointed in your vote to invoke cloture today. While I anticipate you will be crowing about your “no” vote on the actual bill, most folks are not wise to the ways of DC and the Senate. By voting to invoke cloture, you and the other 25 or 26 Senators on the republican sign now own it.You know this, I know this, and I will make sure that all of my friends know what you did.
    Those of us out here in the working class do not care if the gov’t. shuts down for one hour, one day, or one month. All that happens to us is that you take more money out of my pocket every day, and limit the freedoms I once had. I do not have the resources and wealth that you have. This so-called “Affordable Care Act” is neither affordable, caring or going to insure any more people than are currently covered.
    While it is not up to me if you have an opponent in the primary next year, rest assured that if you do, I for one, will do whatever I am able to do to ensure that you do not return to the Senate in 2015.
    It truly is the ruling class vs. the working class.

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