Open Thread, Thursday 10 July 2014

Canadians: You gotta respect their brutal honesty.


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62 Responses to Open Thread, Thursday 10 July 2014

  1. ZurichMike says:

    Way too funny

  2. texan59 says:

    The myth of the “moderate”. Ezra is probably closer to the truth on this than he realizes.

  3. From Tammy Bruce: Apparently the State Dept doesn’t read the newspapers, because Hamas is running the Palestinian govt, and it’s widely reported, even though State somehow denies it.

  4. Pistol Pete says:

    Obama to Take 15-Day Vacation in August

    Dismantling a great nation is hard work.
    At least when Bush went on vacation he went to his OWN HOME!

    The Obamas will depart Washington on Saturday, August 9th and head for Martha’s Vineyard, staying in a $12 million vacation home until Sunday, August 24th, reports the Martha’s Vineyard Times.
    The seven-bedroom, nine-bath, 8,100-square-foot house, sits on a 10-acre lot and is assessed at more than $12 million. It features 17 rooms in total, expansive water views of Vineyard Sound, an infinity pool and hot tub, and a dual tennis-basketball court.

  5. Freedom, this weird Dickinson dude, who’s seeking Eric Cantor’s seat in Virginia, is making an ass of himself again:

  6. TWANLOC: Those Who Are No Longer Our Countrymen. Get used to this acronym, coined by Sam Adams. Written about here and at Cold Fury and Happy Acres and more…

  7. Ann Barnhardt honors me by twisting my words exactly the same way she twists those of Pope Francis. I’m the idiot from item #8. She doesn’t link to the conversation, perhaps because she doesn’t want to advertise the larger numbers of “thumbs-up” support that I got, or the questions people raised about her ethics in publicly and vindictively “outing” my name, or especially the fact that my statement was in an entirely different context and purpose, even though I was careless in the use of the word “only.” But that doesn’t matter to her. It’s enough to rant about.

    On the other hand, I thank her for finally explaining why she thinks Novus Ordo must die in order to save the Church. She’s wrong, but at least now we know what she’s thinking. She claims the “New Mass” was conceived during Vatican II with evil intent, and so it can’t be fixed. That’s kinda like saying that since a few of the men who voted to adopt the U.S. Constitution were slave-owners, the document is evil and cannot be saved. We must start over or go back to a monarchy. God works with the real world, Ann. So should you. I love the Holy Tridentine Mass, but Novus Ordo has a place and is legitimate, as even you admit.

    • texan59 says:

      I’m done with her. She may well end up being right about everything she speaks of. Of no counsel to me. I’ll take my chances without her.

    • zmalfoy says:

      Yanno, I thought I would like the TLM. . . I love Latin, love praying and singing in Latin, love chant, and I know ritual, . . . love incense, bells, all of it. . ..

      I went to one. Once. Never again. If I ever again want to feel like God’s Little Reject, I now know where to get some of that.

      • I’m kinda with you on that. I try to get what they’re saying, about putting the emphasis on the Lord and the Cross. I get that part. But when they insist that “NO! Everything MUST be EXACTLY like THIS!!!” Then I lose them. All I can think of is that very first Last Supper. You know, when Jesus said “THIS is my BODY” in the vernacular. Probably in Aramaic. Not Latin. All the Apostles there were being spoken to in a way they could understand. And Jesus faced them, not the wall. But she thinks we don’t believe in the Real Presence, and she even accuses me (in her rant) of not believing. Which is an outright, intentional LIE, of course. She does that. I’m not sure why. It doesn’t help her case.

        • Knight4GFC says:

          There are many theological points that we can debate about on both sides of this aisle. But she amongst others on her side are far too righteously extreme “right” while a good many are far too progressive on the “left”. This, I believe, is ultimately the consequence of poor CC leadership. JMHO. I myself am a traditionally conservative Catholic, but I do know that the “apostles didn’t receive the gift of tongues for no reason.”

          • I agree with you about poor CC leadership. That’s a tragedy and a fact, for sure. And I have huge agreement with traditionalists on a lot of things. But I also agree with you that Ann’s basically impossible to talk to on these issues. She always, eventually, ends up shouting.

          • zmalfoy says:

            Agreed. And crappy catechesis–> from before Vatican II. I also tend to fall on the “conservative” end of the scale. . . but only to a point.

        • zmalfoy says:

          I’m glad I haven’t scandalized you with my surprising dislike of the TLM, lol.

          I think a lot of “them” forget that Pope Gregory and Charlemagne changed everything to Latin because, at that time, it was the universal language–the language spoken by the most people over the largest area of then-Christendom. It would be the same as if the current Pope (and curia) decided that everything would be in English, because it is the language spoken by the most people over the largest area of now-Christendom. (Not necessarily first-language, but a language spoken by them). I would consider such a thing unfortunate, because Latin is a far lovelier language than English, and perfect for singing. But that’s life. It was a pragmatic, not an aesthetic decision, and the “theology” behind the idea only came later.

          And you hit it right on the head that Jesus was likely facing the apostles around a table– which ties into the “In persona Christi” bit that always comes up in arguments over women’s ordination. If a priest acts “in persona Christi”, in the Active role, then he ought to be facing everyone else, just like Jesus at the Last Supper. If, however, he’s facing the same direction, as representative/ microcosmic proxy of the (Feminine) Church, in the Passive/ Receptive position. . . then the strongest argument for an all-male priesthood is seriously undermined, because the receptive position is more appropriate to a more feminine human, as representative of the Bride of Christ. Everything else aside, I think this change in position in the Novus Ordo was entirely correct because it’s more logically consistent with the unique role of the priest.

          What really got to me, though, the one time I went, were the dirtly looks I got from other congregants (mostly male, though some female) when I would join in the chant. I was the only female voice (only men and boys in the choir and on the altar). Even though I’m a soprano, I’m a low soprano, and often sing alto or even, on rare occasion, tenor. Even so, as a trained voice, even when I’m singing softly, with no vibrato, my voice still resonates–especially in the hard surfaces of a church. Being the only female voice made my voice stand out even more than just my training. And there were guys, seriously, turning around in the pews and giving me the stink eye. Apparently, I was supposed to be doing like a lot of the rest of the females and, if not attending to children (which I have none, being both unmarried and chaste), or kneeling and muttering a rosary while all the men-folk participated in Mass. In which case, why was I even there? What’s the point of Mass if you’re just gonna do the same thing you do every day at home?

          Added to the fact that, if you’ve never been to a TLM, juggling between two different guides and trying to figure out where you are in the Mass while straining to hear the poorly enunciated Latin being mumbled into the altar. . . (and, a different set of dirty looks if you thought of whispering for assistance to someone nearby who looked like they knew what they were doing), and trying to keep your veil pinned to your head, but your hair is so very smooth and fine that the pins themselves keep sliding out as the veil slides to your shoulders, thus proving yet another distraction . . . (also, for the record, I hate wearing any sort of lace on me. Especially on my head. Hate it. Too dang frilly by half.)

          Yeah. By the middle of Mass, I couldn’t sing any more due to the distress I was desperately swallowing, as everything seemed to come together to tell me that I wasn’t welcome anymore in God’s House. I have enough problems as it is with acedia, and this just magnified them. That’s why I won’t do it again.

          • Holy schamoley, your IPC argument is something I hadn’t even considered! But you’re right. And I completely get what you’re saying about the stink eye. That ain’t right. And I believe in IPC and a male priesthood, but people who use that as an excuse to exclude women from their natural places in worship and participation in the church are figuratively driving a knife in Christ’s side. I don’t get that at all. Good thoughts, Zoph.

            Oh, and you made me look up ‘acedia!’ Never heard of it! Good to know, though. 🙂

            • zmalfoy says:

              so, I looked up acedia, since I’ve only ever seen and used it in one context, and I was curious what “official” sources like Wikipedia (I know, lol) said about it. The sense I’m using it, it’s like this: It’s a rather extreme self-loathing that leads to spiritual/ psychological paralysis, often mistaken for “torpor” or “sloth”. Sort of an extreme God-fear-Self-hatred that collapses under the weight of its own despair– one is so consumed (drowning) with fellings of worthlessness and uselessness that one figures that there’s no use in even trying.

              If one is already having difficulty with such things, you can see why such an experience as those described above would be best to avoid in the future.

            • zmalfoy says:

              It took me a long, long time to come to terms with the male priesthood. It was a very, very personal issue for me, and no one could give me a good reason– until I studied Kabbalah and Asian philosophy, and the whole Active/ Passive, Ying/Yang, Male/ Female, Chokmah/ Binah thing connected. But once that made sense, the “facing away from the congration” thing no longer did. And for me, if something is True, then it is True in all arguments, and not just on the matters that are convenient for one’s self.

              As for the rest . . . *shrugs*. I’ll admit, I love the sound of men’s choruses. Especially Russian Men’s Choirs. Sooo rumbly! But if we’re supposed to be a people of God, one Big, mostly-happy family, One Body in Christ as described in Galatians 3:28 . . . then the Mass should be filled with all our voices. I think now, I’d just glare right back at them. The one Talent I know I can bring back to the Master is my voice, so if they don’t like me bringing it to Him, they can (do something crude and utterly unworthy of being mentioned in the same paragraph as Our Lord).

          • And, BTW, since I’ve heard you sing, mainly in your Pie Jesu recording, I can vouch for the quality of your trained voice. I have no idea what their problem was.

            • zmalfoy says:

              *blushes* yeah, I can sing on pitch without autotune!

              As for their problem. . . they’re parochial little twerps who think they know and understand more about the Mass than they actually do. As I said, I know how ritual works. I know that every bit of a ritual or ceremony is, when done right, done with psychological purpose. There’s a reason we exchange the sign of peace, there’s actually a reason for holding hands during the Lord’s Prayer, if that is something the congregation has decided to do. Heck, there’s a reason we’re supposed to get out of our houses and go to Mass and be around other people in God’s House at least once a week. And the Body of Christ is not a Boy’s Club, and never was.

    • Coyote says:

      She did it. She imploded around the critical mass of her own arrogance.

      Kinda sad, but she has to fix it. We can’t. I feel sorry for her.
      I pray that, perhaps someday, she will understand her errors.

  8. Knight4GFC says:

    PM speaks with Ban, Cameron, Merkel, Hollande, Harper — but not Obama
    Read more: PM speaks with Ban, Cameron, Merkel, Hollande, Harper — but not Obama | The Times of Israel
    Follow us: @timesofisrael on Twitter | timesofisrael on Facebook

  9. Knight4GFC says:

    •Roark Barraclough

    GREAT a shoe worth a -17,000,000,000,000,000

    • Gorni

    That’s why he needs another 4 billion….. for more Nike Air shoes. This proves that they were invited… if you are going to walk across the border, you need a pair of the shoes from the POS in the WH that is going to kiss your a$$ in exchange for your vote in the future.

    • Desiree Seifert

    Scathing List of Obama’s Accomplishments as First Black President

    in News / by Corey Barrow / on January 26, 2014 at 2:09 pm /

    Everyone should stop trashing President Barack Obama. He has quite
    the list of accomplishments. Obama has exceeded any other President that
    has come before him. Here’s the impressive list of his hard earned

    First President to have a social security number from a state he has never lived in.

    First President to preside over a cut to the credit-rating of the United States.

    First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.

    First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party.

    First President to spend $50 billion on “shovel-ready” jobs when there was no such thing as “shovel-ready” jobs.

    First President to order an
    amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants
    across the U.S., including those with criminal convictions.

    First President to demand a company hand-over $20 billion to one of his political appointees.

    First President to tell a CEO of a major corporation to resign.

    First President to terminate America’s Space Shuttle program.

    First President to cancel the National Day of Prayer and to say that America is no longer a Christian nation.

    First President to have a law signed by an auto-pen without being present.

    First President to arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.

    First President to threaten insurance companies if they publicly spoke out on the reasons for their rate increases.

    First President to tell a major manufacturing company in which state it is allowed to locate a factory.

    First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN).

    First President to withdraw an existing coal permit that had been properly issued years ago.

    First President to actively try to bankrupt an American industry (coal).

    First President to fire an inspector general of AmeriCorps for catching one of his friends in a corruption case.

    First President to appoint 45 czars to replace elected officials in his office.

    First President to surround himself with radical left wing anarchists.

    First President to golf more than 150 separate times in his five years in office.

    First President to hide his birth, medical, educational and travel records.

    First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it.

    First President to go on multiple “global apology tours” and concurrent “insult our friends” tours.

    First President to go on numerous lavish vacations, in addition to date nights and Wednesday evening White House parties for his friends paid for by the taxpayers.

    First President to keep a dog trainer on retainer for $102,000 a year at taxpayer expense.

    First President to fly in a personal trainer from Chicago at least once a week at taxpayer expense.

    First President to repeat the Holy Quran and tell us the early morning call of the Azan (Islamic call to worship) is the most beautiful sound on earth

    First President to side with a foreign nation over one of the American 50 states (Mexico vs Arizona).

    First President to increase surveillance of American citizens by 1,000 percent in four years

    First President to refuse to comply with a House Oversight Committee subpoena

    First President to encourage racial discrimination and intimidation at polling places

    First President to issue unlawful “Recess-Appointments” over a long weekend while the U.S. Senate remained in session (against the advice of his own Justice Department)

    First President to barricade open-air monuments during a partial government shutdown

    First President to create his own propaganda news network
    and “bypass journalists … [having] developed [his] own network of
    websites, social media and even created an online newscast to dispense
    favorable information and images”

    First President to personally lobby senators to violate senate rules

    First President to unlawfully seize telephone records of more than 100 reporters to intimidate and/or bully them

    First President to use the IRS to “Unfairly Target Political Enemies” as well as pro-Catholic and pro-Jewish groups

    First President to have an innocent filmmaker thrown in jail after lying about the cause for a deadly attack on U.S. Diplomats

    First President to violate the War Powers Act

    • Marilyn Z

    You got it! Great list, but I know you left some out…just doesn’t seem like enough to me.

    • Dragon

    holy crap!Time to write a book-which of these are impeachable? How can anyone be proud of this guy?

    • raffaelecafagna

    his 2 dogs have documented original birth certificate ; zero has zero .

    • 58proudtobe

    Looking through the Spanish news channels I spotted an article of available mobile RVs to help the illegal aliens pouring through the border to get legal advice on processing documentation on their way into the US.
    Barak Hussein obama fully understands what the plan is.

    • Gorni

    He planned this in 2013 and sent out requests for contracted escorts on January the 29th to prepare for the invasion. This is completely on BHO’s watch.

    To all of the idiots who voted this POS into a second term, you can pay for these illegals housing, education, clothing, food and transportation to and from health care facilities to take care of these diseases that they are bringing into the country. BHO has NO plans for sending these people back to their homes. The 4 Billion that he is demanding is not going to be used toward this disaster and we all know it.

    Hey libs, if you don’t know how to speak spanish, I suggest the Rosetta Stone program.

    • akoby

    Every indication shows this was planned from the get-go. Otherwise, Obama would have shoved immigration reform down our throats just as he did Obamacare when he had full control of the House and Senate. When are the Latino and African-Americans going to wise up and stop being used as pawns by the Democratic Party and Rhinos like Thad Cochran?

    • terryk

    I am certain that you could charter planes to send the illegals back to there countries for 1/2 that cost. We should take that money from the funds the State department sends to these countries.

    • John Liberty

    These shoes tell us all about heir Obama’s Masta Plan … to walk all over our sovereign national security, our Constitution, Oath Of Office as President.”


    • It’s a mechanical engineering journal, so I’m aware of it, but never read it. I know that kind of “journal stuffing” goes on. Academics is really a racket. And we pay for it.

    • zmalfoy says:

      Wait! You mean to say . . . that Science isn’t always 100% accurate?! Say it ain’t so! *swoons in shock*

    • Well you see “peer review” everywhere these days. Scientist (the religion to prove there is no God) use this against anyone who goes against what they claim the truth to be including that man has no “soul” and is another primate that has evolved………I have had arguements with many of them over many subjects of their “facts” and how they teach our children about theories being taught as facts when they are just theories with huge holes that they cannot answer. When they no longer reason with you they become profane and call for “peer review” or STFU! Yes they must have to be judged by “peer review” as that is their only life…so they believe.
      I also love to see that God has a sense of humor!

  10. texan59 says:

    Looks like some of those barrycare exchanges are none too optimistic about their future.

  11. texan59 says:

    OK then. Aussie court says adult incest is just okey-dokey. WTF!!!!!! 😯

  12. Harvey says:

    Say Zoph, Since you bring up singing :-), may I ask a question? My adult daughter was toying with the idea of singing lessons just because she enjoys singing and would like to improve. But she has been told in the past that she sings consistently flat. Are there any simple things she could do on her own to correct/retrain that?

    • zmalfoy says:

      Does she have a piano, keyboard, or other hand operated instrument? When I was a voice teacher, I would start with pitch matching exercises. If she can hear a pitch and match it, the rest is fine tuning– which is done in voice lessons with more intense pitch matching sessions.

      I mean, how flat are we talking, here? Like, waay off? Or just a little? If the former, some time hearing a pitch and matching it, until she can match immediately would be best. IF the latter, some more intense sessions with someone listening to her pitch and what she’s trying to match would sort it out. Beyond basic matching (within half a step), you do need to have built up some vocal control to do the really fine work of perfecting the quarter-tones to get the exact pitching.

      Also, her going flat may also be due to 1) poor posture, 2) lack of proper breath support and 3) nerves tightening the wrong muscles along the vocal apparatus (though this tends to make people go sharp, and can have the opposite effect if pulling them flat sometimes).
      All three of these issues would be sorted out by a voice coach, who will instruct in proper sitting and standing posture, how to breathe properly, and how to stay relaxed during the whole process.

      To sum up: On her own, find pitches either in the world around her (humming machinery, something on the radio, random pianos encountered) and match them as best she can. If she has a companion, that person can give feedback if she’s a little off (what one hears of their own voice is often very different from what others hear, so that companion can be a big help in re-adjusting the “ear”). She needs to really listen to what she’s hearing, and what her own voice is doing, and try sliding her voice up to see if it can match better.

      Oh, so I just looked up “Pitch matching” on YouTube, and this was the first thing that came up:

      And this is also very good:

  13. Pistol Pete says:

    GOP Congressman: ‘We Just Filed a Resolution Directing the Sergeant-at-Arms to Arrest Lois Lerner for Contempt’
    Rep. Steve Stockman (R-Texas) announced on Thursday that has filed a resolution directing the House sergeant-at-arms to “arrest Lois Lerner for contempt of Congress” over the IRS targeting scandal.
    Under the proposed resolution, Lerner would be held in a Washington, D.C., jail and would be given access to an attorney and all her constitutional rights.

    Boehner has to sign the arrest warrant for Lerner to be arrested….don’t hold your breath

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