Open Thread, Tuesday 23 September 2014

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  1. Also rumors of this:
    “No small irony: The warship supporting the U.S. airstrikes is the USS George H. W. Bush”
    I gues the can “officially” blame Bush for it now!

    So the airstrikes have begun. I’m not savvy on how military coalitions work, but I would like to know how much Iinfo we “give away” to these coalitions that will help them to fight us???

  2. Coyote says:

    SNOPES NO MORE – unk.

    Many of the emails sent or forwarded that had any anti-Obama in it were negated by Snopes.
    Check this out.

    Snopes, Soros and the Supreme Court’s Kagan:
    Well now, I guess the time has come to check out Snopes! Ya’ don’t suppose it might not be a good time to take a second look at some of the stuff that got kicked in the ditch by Snopes, do ya’?

    We’ve known that it was owned by a lefty couple but hadn’t known it to be financed by Soros!

    Snopes is heavily financed by George Soros, a big time supporter of Obama! In our Search for the truth department, we find what I have suspected on many occasions.

    I went to Snopes to check something about the dockets of the new Supreme Court Justice. Elena Kagan, who Obama appointed, and Snopes said the email was false and there were no such dockets. So I Googled the Supreme Court, typed in Obama-Kagan, and guess what? Yep, you got it; Snopes Lied! Everyone of those dockets are there.

    So Here is what I wrote to Snopes:
    Referencing the article about Elana Kagan and Barak Obama dockets:
    The information you have posted stating that there were no such cases as claimed and the examples you gave are blatantly false. I went directly to the Supreme Courts website, typed in Obama-Kagan and immediately came up with all of the dockets that the article made reference to. I have long suspected that you really slant things but this was really shocking. Thank You. I hope you will be much more truthful in the future, but I doubt it.

    That being said, I’ll bet you didn’t know this. Kagan was representing Obama in all the petitions to prove his citizenship. Now she may help rule on them. Folks, this is really ugly. Chicago Politics and the beat goes on and on and on. Once again the US Senate sold us out!

    Now we know why Obama nominated Elana Kagan for the Supreme Court. Pull up the Supreme Courts website, go to the docket and search for Obama. She was the Solicitor General for all the suits against him filed with the Supreme Court to show proof of natural born citizenship. He owed her big time. All of the requests were denied of course. They were never heard. It just keeps getting deeper and deeper, doesn’t it? The American people mean nothing any longer.

    It’s all about payback time for those who compromised themselves to elect someone who really has no true right to even be there.
    Here are some websites of the Supreme Court Docket: You can look up some of these hearings and guess what? Elana Kagan is the attorney representing Obama!

    Check out these examples:

    There truly is tyranny afoot.

    • barnslayer says:

      I gave up on Snopes a while ago. Their liberal agenda is pretty blatant.

    • What A Hoot says:

      Did you happen to get screen shot? Second link blank page.

      Trying to compare dates. Looks like she continued as his counsel after the nomination,
      “President Obama appointed her Solicitor General on January 26, 2009. On May 10, 2010, Obama nominated her to the Supreme Court …”

      She was Solicitor General WHILE she was his counsel on these dockets. He was using the United States of America’s Solicitor General to represent personal business; that allowed? Is that what a SG’s job is? For the president,not the people?

      On the second link, I did a search on site with number from link and it came up; just blank when go from this page or use link to url. Interestingly, I put it in Wayback and told “Wayback Machine does not have that page archived. It is available on the web!” The first and third links, when put in Wayback bring up a calendar to choose from all the times it was saved on Machine. What is it about the middle one?

    • Aussie says:

      I am surprised that you did not know that Snopes was funded by Soros. I knew that years ago… and held them in contempt over it…..

  3. Coyote says:

    Sessions Outlines Majority Leader Reid’s Abuse of Power, Calls For Restoration Of Senate’s Historic Role

    WASHINGTON—U.S. Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL), Ranking Member of the Senate Budget Committee, delivered the following prepared remarks Wednesday, September 17, on Majority Leader Reid’s tactics to control the Senate, limit open debate, and erode individual Senator’s rights in representing their constituents:

    “It brings me no pleasure to make the remarks I am compelled to make today.

    The Senate, the legislative body heralded by the late Robert Byrd as the second great Senate in history—the first being the Roman Senate—is being eroded beyond recognition by Majority Leader Reid and those who support him in that process.

    Once again here we are, at the 11th hour, being asked to vote for a spending bill that no member has had the opportunity to meaningfully analyze, scrutinize, or investigate. Once again, we are being asked to fund the entire government in one catch-all bill with no opportunity for a single amendment, improvement, or meaningful consideration. No opportunity for the American people to know what’s being passed and to hold their elected representatives accountable for their actions. Once again, this huge bill is being rushed through under threat of government shutdown, so our Leader can send his members home to campaign. That’s the purpose really, to vote once, go home, and campaign. Sad to say, it’s politics first.

    We have not voted on a single appropriations bill in the Senate this year. Not one of the 12 appropriations bills required to fund the government has come before the Senate. Committees are bypassed, secret deals rule the day, and millions of Americans are robbed of their ability to participate in the legislative process.

    It’s been so long since we’ve followed the regular order, it is necessary to provide a basic civic review.

    Each year, Congress is supposed to pass adopt a budget resolution, which outlines the spending goals for the upcoming year. Then, based on spending levels contained in the budget resolution, individual committees are to report out authorization bills based on the expertise and experience of the members serving on those committees, shaping where the spending is supposed to go, laying out priorities and objectives for our Federal government to serve its citizens.

    Then, the Appropriations Committee is tasked to produce appropriations bill for each area of the budget, which are to be individually considered, debated, and amended on the Senator floor.

    Each year, the Senate is supposed to consider individually the 12 appropriations bills. This gives each member, and their constituents, a chance to review and analyze each part of the budget and offer suggestions for saving money, improving efficiency, and better serving taxpayers, which we are failing to do. We don’t have a dime to waste.

    But under the tenure of Majority Leader Reid, the budgeting process has been dismantled. We’ve only passed one budget in the last 5 years. Our committees stand by idle, and the floor is run not for the purpose of legislative debate but as an extension of the Democrat campaign committee.

    The Senate has ceased consideration of appropriations bills altogether, relying more and more on autopilot resolutions and catch-all continuing resolutions and ominous omnibus spending packages. When I first came to the Senate, almost every single spending bill was debated, amended, and passed in the Senate. Now we regularly go year to year without debating a single stand-alone spending bill on the Senate floor.

    One of the worst tactics by which Majority Leader Reid has suppressed Senators’ rights and blocked open debate has been a technique called “filling the tree.” Under this tactic, he uses his majority rights to keep Senators from offering amendments, as representatives of their states and the American people. Blocking amendments prevents the body from working its will, prohibits legislation from being improved, and protects Senators from being held accountable by voters on the great issues of the day. It keeps the Senate from being the critical sounding board for the issues of the day.

    Our Majority Leader has used this tactic—filling the tree—90 times during his tenure. To put this in perspective, the six previous Majority Leaders filled the tree only 49 times—combined. Senator Reid has filled the tree almost 40 more occasions than all of the six previous Majority Leaders did cumulatively over their tenures. This stops amendments from being voted on.

    He has shut down one of the most important functions that Senators exercise to defend and advance the interests of their constituents.

    But it doesn’t stop there.

    The Senate is supposed to be Washington’s cooling saucer. That is why, on many important and controversial matters, 60 votes are required to adopt a measure or to confirm a nominee. And, importantly, to change the rules requires a 2/3 vote.

    This 2/3 vote threshold is critical, because it ensures that the rules actually have meaning—that they apply when either party is in power and cannot be changed on a whim. To change Senate rules requires a broad consensus across the entire body. This protects the rights of individual senators to be heard on the issues of the day. It is the key component of the Senate’s heritage of discussion and debate.

    Yet, Leader Reid, in an exercise of brute political force, changed the Senate rules by a simple majority vote. He ignored the counsel of the Senate Parliamentarian—the preeminent protector of the Senate’s practices and procedures—and in one stroke changed the nature of this august body, perhaps forever.

    Today, under Harry Reid, and the Democratic senators who empower him, Senators cannot even consider important legislation; they cannot offer amendments; and they cannot even fully debate issues of the day.

    Huge bills are rushed through in the waning hours of a session.

    Systematically, the rights of Senators to provide equal representation to each state is being dismantled.

    But it gets worse yet still.

    As we all know, President Obama has promised that after the midterms he would issue an executive amnesty to 5–6 million immigrants who are unlawfully here. This executive-ordered amnesty would include work permits for millions of illegal workers, along with photo ID’s and Social Security numbers, and it would include more guest workers for large corporations.

    The President and the immigration lobbyists meeting secretly in the White House are trying to implement through executive action the same disastrous policies that were rejected by Congress through the House of Representatives. Once the public learned what was in the Senate amnesty and guest worker bill, they declared: no, no, no. So the President is conspiring to go around Congress, and what does Mr. Reid say—what does the Leader of our Senate say? He tells the President to “Go Real Big” and to bypass Congress with the biggest amnesty you can do.

    Majority Leader Reid has blocked this Senate from considering the House plan—legislation passed by the House and sitting at the desk—to stop the President from executing this unlawful act. He is determined, completely, to ensure this executive amnesty happens and to do whatever he can to do see that it does. The principles that govern our political system, separation of powers and public debate, are of no importance.

    But, colleagues, as we know, Reid only operates with the support of his Conference. We saw this vividly when I made a motion that would allow us to take action to stop the executive amnesty and every Senate Democrat except the junior Senator from West Virginia voted with the Majority Leader to enable the President to go forward with his unlawful amnesty decree. It’s unbelievable.

    And to this day, not one Senate Democrat has spoken up to support the House plan to stop the executive amnesty or demanded that Mr. Reid bring it up for a vote. Every member that supports Senator Reid is as much a supporter of President Obama’s unlawful amnesty as they would be if they were sitting in a room helping him sign the order. This is the time. It’s either stop it now, or it may be too late to stop him. And we need to vote on it, and people need to be held accountable. Every American needs to know where their Senator stands on the President’s unlawful assumption of power to violate plain law of the United States to carry out a political agenda he has that the American people reject. It’s just that simple. It’s about power and it’s about politics—it’s not about what’s best for America.

    All of us owe our constituents a full, open, deliberative process where the great issues of the day are debated with their scrutiny and we receive their input, with our rights respected, our responsibilities honored, and our Senate strengthened in the process.

    The democratic process is messy, sometimes contentious, and often difficult. But it is precisely this legislative tug of war, this back and forth, which forges national consensus. And people have to stick their necks out and say what they believe on important issues facing America. It is the process our founders utilized to discover the truth. While secret deals may appear to keep the trains running on time, they also keep them running, too often, in the wrong direction. Only through a renewed open legislative process, carried out in the full light of day, can we clean up this government, forge real national consensus, achieve accountability in Washington, and allow our Senators and Congressman to be there on the front lines to sink or swim on how they perform. We are not guaranteed political office; the American people don’t work for us. We work from them. And it returns power, thereby, to the everyday citizen. It is time for us to restore once again the great Senate of the United States.

    I thank the chair, and yield the floor.”

  4. Coyote says:

    The definition of the word Conundrum is: something that is puzzling or confusing.

    Here are six Conundrums of Socialism in the United States of America happening right now:
    1. America is capitalist and greedy – half of the population is subsidized.
    2. Half of the population is subsidized – yet they think they are victims.
    3. They think they are victims – their representatives run the government.
    4. Their representatives run the government – yet the poor keep getting poorer.
    5. The poor keep getting poorer – they have things that people in other countries only dream about.
    6. They have things that people only dream about – yet they want America to be more like those other countries.

    Think about it! And that pretty much sums up the USA in the 21st Century. Makes you wonder who is doing the math.

    These three short sentences tell you a lot about the direction of our current government and cultural environment:
    1. We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works.

    2. Seems we constantly hear about how Social Security is going to run out of money. How come we never hear about welfare or food stamps running out of money? What’s interesting is the first group “worked for” their money, but the second didn’t. Think about it…..

    3. Why are we cutting benefits for our veterans, no pay raises for our military and cutting our army to a level lower than before WWII, but we are not stopping the payments or benefits to illegal aliens.

  5. solaratov says:

    Monday, September 22, 2014
    Willing Demons
    What is the United States? It is not a republic as it follows no semblance of its Constitution, the very foundation of its power, of its authority. It is a system of terror, with the power to destroy lives with contrived charges; offhandedly encumbering citizens with debt and criminal charges on a whim. This is the very system our forefather’s fled and risked everything to resist. In effect, they have taken our citizenship, robbed us of our birthright.

    Yet, we do not fight.

    Freedom? They watch us as if we are all suspects. Cameras are everywhere; software tracks us; our new vehicles and cell phones will tell them where we are at any given moment. Our writings are recorded and available as evidence against us though no charges have been filed. The result of these intrusions into our lives will become the evidence upon which they will seek a warrant. That cannot be more backward from the intent of the Constitution.

    Yet, we do not fight.

    Enemies of the people are encouraged to roam free among us, often at the informal invitation of the government. Our borders are not secure, there is no will to discriminate between honest immigrants seeking a better life and those intent on victimizing legal and legitimate citizens of the United States.

    Yet, we do not fight.

    Our economy, the very power that denies enemies to risk war on these shores, is no better than it was in 2009. Every figure compiled by the government is a ruse, it is fraud to mollify the people. Politicians lie and contrive to further the fraud to secure their own power with no regard for the dangerous waters they have navigated at our expense.

    Yet, we do not fight.

    The tax-paying citizens of this nation intent on doing right and living within the laws have been targeted by the very government they support. They have become the villains while true enemies have been coddled and encouraged. Every aspect of their lives have come under attack; their budgets, their religions, their privacy, their pastimes and their associations. Anything that will undermine the society of the typical American has become taboo, while all manner of deviance and decadence has been promoted; cheered on to success.

    Yet, we do not fight.

    If the ideals of life, liberty and property are not worth defending with our lives, we deserve none of them and have proved it with our inaction over the past ten years. There is not a single representative, senator, president or supreme court justice in office today who has not committed treason. Not one.

    Vote? Are you kidding me? There is no reason, beyond societal suicide, to vote for anyone willing to seek the office. It is a vote to destroy yourself; to forfeit your wealth; to eliminate your job; to incur the wrath of a jealous and vengeful government, because a government unloosed from those noble principles upon which this nation was founded can become nothing more than an evil among us and those seeking office its willing demons.

    The only thing left to do is fight. Though it is much easier to believe in unicorns and watch TV.

    • barnslayer says:

      I get what you’re saying Sol. But there still are a few genuine good guys out there. We must vote no matter what. Like the Second Coming, nobody knows when the time to fight will be. Just be ready.

      • solaratov says:

        Oh, I vote. Sometimes reluctantly and holding my nose (figuratively)…but I do vote every time.

        And I wait…as do we all for the spark that will ignite the fire necessary to change the course of our nation.

        But I’m getting old. (And I have a doctor who wants to tell me how many years I’ve got left. lol)

        • Verse of the day

          Romans 5:3-4“And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance; and perseverance, character; and character, hope.”

          I fight too! Every %$#$^&^%$ day in every way possible. Thanks for hanging in there Sol! Thanks for the comment above too. And thanks Coyote for yours as well. WE all have to fight the evils of our times especially when they are so close to home.
          The day we stop fighting is the day we lose the “hope” mentioned above!

    • Coyote says:

      Sol, I fight. Every day.
      Resist. In some form or fashion to bolster my side, my ideals…
      …and undermine theirs. Every day.

      Make EACH shot count. It ain’t a pretty style of fighting, but losing is uglier.

  6. Knight4GFC says:

    WHOA! 😯

    U.S. judge rules part of Hawaii firearms law unconstitutional

    Full ruling here:

    • Wow! I am not sure how this applies in any other state (please let me know if you guys know) but it appears this liberal state is opening a whole new can of worms! IMO I think this is just another liberal way of allowing our aliens the right to bear arms against us. I think that if you want to live full time in the United States of America and want the same rights as “We The People” have then you should become a citizen first!!! Learn our language while your at it. Then and only then should you have the right to bear arms on OUR TURF! This is a BIG ruling.

  7. At UN, Obama says too many Israelis ready to abandon peace

    Addressing General Assembly, US president calls for end to IS ‘network of death’

    BY JULIE PACE AND JOSH LEDERMAN September 24, 2014, 5:52 pm 

    104 NEW YORK, NY – SEPTEMBER 24: U.S. President Barack Obama speaks at the 69th United Nations General Assembly at United Nations Headquarters on September 24, 2014 in New York City. The annual event brings political leaders from around the globe together to report on issues meet and look for solutions. Declaring the world at a crossroads between war and peace, US President Barack Obama said at the UN on Wednesday that the status quo in the West Bank and Gaza Strip is not sustainable, and that Israelis must not give up on peace.“The violence engulfing the region today has made too many Israelis ready to abandon the hard work of peace,” he said. “That’s something worthy of reflection within Israel. Because let’s be clear: the status quo in the West Bank and Gaza is not sustainable.”””>Obama also vowed to lead a coalition to dismantle an Islamic State “network of death” that has wreaked havoc in the Middle East and drawn the US back into military action in the region.Speaking to the annual gathering of the United Nations General Assembly, Obama said the US would be a “respectful and constructive partner” in confronting the Islamic State militants through force. But he also implored Muslims in the Middle East to reject the ideology that has spawned groups like the Islamic State and to cut off funding that has allowed that terror group and others to thrive.“Ultimately, the task of rejecting sectarianism and extremism is a generational task — a task for the people of the Middle East themselves,” Obama said. “No external power can bring about a transformation of hearts and minds.”The president’s remarks (full text here) came against the backdrop of an expanded US military campaign against the Islamic State group, with airstrikes now hitting targets in both Iraq and Syria. A coalition of five Arab nations joined the US this week in the strikes in Syria: Bahrain, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Qatar.The US also opened another military front with airstrikes this week against a new al-Qaeda cell that the Pentagon said was “nearing the execution phase” of a direct attack on the US or Europe.The threats have drawn Obama back into conflicts in the Middle East that he has long sought to avoid, particularly in Syria, which is mired in a bloody three-year civil war. Just months ago, the president appeared to be on track to fulfill his pledge to end the US-led wars he inherited in Iraq and Afghanistan.Obama sought to distinguish this current military campaign from those lengthy wars, declaring that he has no intention of sending US troops to occupy foreign lands.“We will neither tolerate terrorist safe havens nor act as an occupying power,” he said.The militant threat in the Middle East is just one in a series of global crises that have tested Obama this year. Russia has repeatedly flouted warning from the US and Europe to stop its threatening moves in Ukraine. And leaders in West Africa have criticized Obama for not doing more to help combat an Ebola outbreak that is believed to have infected more than 5,800 people in Liberia, Sierra Leone, Guinea, Nigeria and Senegal.Obama took on Russia directly in his remarks, accusing Moscow of sending arms to pro-Kremlin separatists, refusing to allow access to the site of a downed civilian airliner and then moving its own troops across the border with Ukraine.“This is a vision of the world in which might makes right, a world in which one nation’s borders can be redrawn by another, and civilized people are not allowed to recover the remains of their loved ones because of the truth that might be revealed,” Obama said. “America stands for something different.”Still, Obama held open the prospect of a resolution to the monthslong conflict between Russia and Ukraine. While he has previously expressed skepticism about a fragile cease-fire signed earlier this month, he said Wednesday that the agreement “offers an opening” for peace.If Russia follows through on the agreement, Obama said the US will lift economic sanctions that have damaged Russia’s economy but so far done little to shift President Vladimir Putin’s approach.As Obama spoke, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov sat in the audience at the UN, staring down at a stack of papers without glancing up at Obama. He later flipped through a booklet, and sent a text from his smartphone – but did not look toward the speaker’s podium during the forty minutes of Obama’s address.Obama’s speech was greeted at its start and end by polite applause, but the gathered representatives of the world’s nations confined their responses to those two formal points, not demonstrating any moments of enthusiasm in the course of the lengthy address.The chaotic global landscape Obama described Wednesday stood in contrast to his remarks at the UN one year ago, when he spoke of diplomatic openings on multiple fronts. At the time, the US was embarking on another attempt to forge an elusive peace between Israelis and Palestinians and there were signs of a thaw in the decades-old tensions between the US and Iran.The Mideast peace talks have since collapsed, though the president said Wednesday that “as bleak as the landscape appears, America will never give up the pursuit of peace.” And while the US, Iran and world powers are now in the midst of nuclear negotiations, the talks are deadlocked and there is skepticism about whether a deal can be reached by a Nov. 24 deadline.“My message to Iran’s leaders and people is simple: Do not let this opportunity pass,” Obama said. “We can reach a solution that meets your energy needs while assuring the world that your program is peaceful.”

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